Who's God sits on the throne, Is it Jesus? The Father, or the Trinity God of the Trinitarians?

 

Let us examine some of the verses that the Christ-is-God proponents used as a supporting evidence that Christ is God and is the Second person of the so called Trinity God. One God in Three Persons!

We will not discuss, whether the word “TRINITY” is in the bible because if you are a regular bible reader, you will agree with me that it cannot be found on the bible.

So, instead of arguing with the word Trinity we will examine some of the verses they are using to prove the Trinity and that Christ is God.

Let us start with this...

"Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing in the center of the throne [of God]."   (Rev. 5:6, NIV)

Trinitarians also imply that the slain Lamb (obviously the resurrected Christ) must be God because He is in the center  of God's throne in this verse.

The question now will be like this: 

 Are they correct?


 Is Christ God because the verse mentioned He is in the center of the throne?

Our answer is NO! He is maybe mentioned as in the center of the throne but not the who sits on the throne.

There is never any doubt that the one seated on God's throne in Rev.4 and 5 is God the Father.

Let us qoute Rev.4:10-11: 

"They [the 24 elders] lay their crowns before the throne and say: `You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things."  (Rev. 4:10-11 NASB.)

The Lamb is never called God, nor does he sit on the throne of God in these two chapters.

The Lamb is clearly differentiated from God:

"And I heard every creature in heaven, on earth, in the world below, and in the sea---all living beings in the universe---and they were singing: "To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb, be praise and honor, glory and might, forever and ever!" (GNB)

So why is the Lamb standing in the center of the throne of God?

Well here is how it reads in the original Greek:

 "And I saw in midst of the throne (en meso tou thronou) ... lamb standing...."

Thayer tells us of this NT Greek word meso::

"in midst of, i.e. in the space within, tou thronou [`the throne'] (which must be conceived of as having a semicircular shape [c-shaped]: Rev. iv. 6; v. 6."

Thayer continues with an explanation of Rev. 5:6 that meso means

"between the throne and the four living creatures and the elders (i.e. in the vacant space between the throne and the living creatures [on one side] and elders [on the other side], accordingly nearest the throne."

(p. 402, A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, Baker Book House.)

 
Another trinitarian New Testament expert A. T. Robertson also takes this to mean:

 "before" or in front of the throne. (Word Pictures in the New Testament, Vol. vi, p. 328.)

Here some of many  trinitarian translations use "between" here rather than "in the center of".

 "between the throne and the four living creatures"

(1) RSV

(2) The Jerusalem Bible

 (3) NASB

 (4) NAB (1970 ed.)

 (5) NRSV

 (6) The Amplified Bible (1965)

 (7) MLB (1969)

 (8) Beck's The Holy Bible in the Language of Today (1976)

 (9) C. B. Williams' New Testament in the Language of the People (1963)

 (10) REB(

11)Living Bible.

But no matter how you wish to translate en meso tou thronou, it is obvious that the Lamb's being there does not make him God.

Simply look at Rev. 4:6 and the complete Rev. 5:6.

We have seen in Rev. 4:6 that the four living creatures are en meso tou thronou just as the lamb is in 5:6...

 If that means the Lamb is God, then it also means the four living creatures are God!

Trinitatrians your God now will not be a Trinity, but Sixnity, The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit, The Four Living Creatures! Absurd and Rediculous!

A further examination of Rev. 4:6 reveals this additional information concerning "en meso tou thronou" and the throne of God.

Let us take a look at the KJV rendition:



 "in the midst of the throne and around the throne."



This could mean that they are positioned around the throne so that each one is standing in the center of each side.

For that reason, the translators of TEV and GNB translated it:

"surrounding the throne on each of its sides."

CBW and Beck both translate:

 "in the middle of each side of the throne."

This understanding and these renderings by modern trinitarian Bibles correlate well with Ezekiel's vision of God's throne at Ezek. 1:15-22 where the 4 living creatures (Cherubs) are stationed at each corner of the throne (or chariot which supports the throne).

It could also mean the four living creatures are in the central position in heaven.

For this reason, The Jerusalem Bible reads:

"in the center, grouped around the throne itself."

The above gives us good evidence for determining what en meso tou thronou may mean for the position of the Lamb in Rev. 5:6.

Or merely examine all of the scripture in question. Rev. 5:6 reads literally in the Greek:

"And I saw in midst of the throne [en meso tou thronou] and of the four living [creatures] and in midst of [en meso] the older persons lamb having stood as having been slaughtered."

Again we see the four living creatures in the "midst" of the throne, and also the Lamb is in the "midst" of the 24 elders. The 24 elders, then, must also be in the "midst" of the throne with Jesus.

 So, this trinitarian "evidence" means the 24 elders are God too!

 Worse!

It's getting worse my dear Trinitarians!

Is it really the Trinity sits on the throne?

Let us take a look at Revelation 21:3

"And I heard a loud voice from the throne. saying, `Behold the tabernacle of God is among men and He shall dwell among them, and they shall be His peoples, and God Himself shall be among them."

Is the loud voice from the throne is of God?

Let us furhter study....

Let us take a look in verse 5:

"And He who sits on the throne said, `Behold I am making all things new.'

(NASB)

We have seen that although the first voice was from the throne, it was still not from God.

The second voice was from the one who sits on the throne from God.

This is very clear that God is the one sitting on the throne, no one else!

Another vision of God in heaven is noteworthy.

 "Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw God's glory and Jesus standing at the right side of God."  ( Acts 7:55, TEV.)

 

If Christ is part of the so called Trinity, one God in three distinct persons then why is it in the verse we can read that He is standing at the right side  of God?

Is this a different Jesus?

 Of course not! That is the same Jesus, the Son of God.

Very clear in this verse Christ is not God.

So, who sits on the Throne?

My answer is, it is the Father Who is the ONLY TRUE GOD (John 17:1,3)

(Disclaimer: This is just my own view, and not the official doctrine of INC. If you are interested to know more about the doctrines of Iglesia Ni Cristo, please don't hesitate to visit our locale nearest you.

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